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A colleague shared a comment on Mastodon, but I only get allocated fewer than 500 characters, so I respond here and hope for the best: https://kolektiva.social/@homohortus/117112659771316059

It starts with this: I find your argument illuminating, but I would restrict it to bourgeois representative democracy rather than democracy as such.

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This objection is useful to a degree, but I think we're talking at different levels. I'm not arguing that bourgeois representative democracy is uniquely defective, nor that direct democracy, federalism, assemblies, councils, or mutualist arrangements cannot improve particular outcomes. They very well may. My narrower claim is that any democracy involving more than one person with divergent preferences must sometimes – arguably most of the time – produce outcomes that are suboptimal for at least some participants.

This problem arises before capitalism, representation, spectacle, class domination or mass society enter the picture. Two people deciding where to eat already encounter it. If one wants burgers and the other Indian food, some cost must be absorbed: one yields, they expend additional resources satisfying both preferences, they alternate, or they choose a compromise neither preferred. None of this is catastrophic. Much of ordinary social life consists precisely in accepting such small losses, so we can pass it off if it involves a partner or friends, but this is not most social situation.

Kenneth Arrow formalises a related problem under almost absurdly favourable conditions. Give agents coherent rankings over a shared set of alternatives, assume semantic agreement about what those alternatives even are, remove misinformation, ideology and ontological disagreement, and collective aggregation can still fail to produce a social ordering satisfying several seemingly modest conditions. The difficulty therefore can't be attributed wholly to bourgeois institutions. Those may intensify it, distort it or distribute its costs unjustly, but they don't create it.

Dunbar then adds a different pressure. At small scales – 150 to 5,000 people/nodes – repeated interaction, reputation, trust and reciprocal bargaining can soften preference conflict. My own experience of households and neighbourhoods is banal evidence of this: people concede things they care little about in return for things they value more. But these mechanisms decay as strangers replace intimates and administrative proxies replace relational knowledge. They certainly don't work on orders of magnitude in the hundreds of thousands or millions.

Then there's the still harder case: ontological non-alignment. Once people differ not merely over preferred outcomes but over what constitutes harm, standing, authority or even the legitimate objects of political concern, the bargaining space itself becomes unstable. At that point, reducing the assembly from 100 million to 1,000 may improve accountability enormously, but it doesn't make incompatible commitments commensurable.

So I would distinguish these questions:

Can some democratic arrangements be less coercive, more participatory or better at containing pluralism than others? Certainly.

Can democracy eliminate the loss generated by aggregating divergent preferences into shared decisions? I see no reason to think so.

And this is where Hobbes enters the room. A society may rationally accept considerable local preference loss because the alternative carries other costs: insecurity, violence, instability, transaction burdens, defence, coordination failure. In that sense, the democratic arrangement could have a positive overall cost-benefit calculus.

But there's still a snag: the costs are not naturally commensurable. How many unwanted dinners equal one avoided civil war? How much political frustration equals physical security? How many infringed preferences equal stable infrastructure? There is no neutral unit in which the ledger balances.

Cheers.

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